Aug 2012, another email,
Michelle Schaller, Australia
I recently received an original copy of the same photo (see
page1) which belonged to
my grandfather. Itís is in much better condition and all of the faces
Iíve also attached a short history of the people in the photo .....
What a wonderful family photo and a lifetime honour for family, friends
and indeed the world
to see these photos and read about the lives of the
individuals here on GlescaPals........
Photo taken c1905
Geddes was born on 18th July 1857 at 63
Tobago St, Glasgow. He was the
eldest son of George Geddes (Snr) and Christina Cain. John is
listed as having a number of occupations during his lifetime (all in
Glasgow). Journeyman/Joiner at the time of his marriage in 1880, but by
the 1881 census he is listed as a Sand Merchant with 6 employees. In
1891 he was a Ferry Lessee. In 1901 he was a Dredging and Diving
Contractor until the time of his death from apoplexy, on the 12th
May 1908 at 45 Gallowflat St, Rutherglen.
I have his business card from his time as a Contractor.. His business
was based at Ruskin Terrace. On the back of the card he has listed
ĎContracts in Handí Noís 1,2,3,4 and 5 Clyde Embankments for Glasgow
Corporation and Shawfield Sand Quarry.
John is only ever listed as John
Geddes on Scottish legal documents (birth/death/marriage). Yet any
Australian family obituaries after his death mention him as John Graham
NB: It was Johnís younger
brother George (shown in the photo in front of the Humane Society
Boathouse above) who followed in George Snrís footsteps as the Ď2nd
Georgeí at the Humane Society.
NB: Interestingly Johnís father,
George Snr is listed in historical records as an orphan from birth and
he was farmed out to a family unknown. This isnít completely factual as
his father lived until George was about 6 years old. It is quite
probable his mother Marion nee Wallace died near/during his birth in
1826, but his father John Ferrie Geddes didnít die until the first major
Glasgow Cholera Epidemic of 1832. He was one of 3,000 lost to Cholera at
the time. He was buried on 23 July 1832. I can only assume John Ferrie
Geddes was unable to care for so many children and specially a new baby,
so fostered George out. (George was the youngest of at least 10
married Eleanor Elizabeth Borle on 1st June 1880 at Stockwell
Place, Glasgow (Eleanor was b.1862 in Middlesex. Her father was Swiss
and her mother from Warwickshire)
After John (and her mother) died, Eleanor and most of her children,
eventually emigrated to Western Australia in 1912. John and Eleanorís
first child was my great grandmother Christina Cain Geddes.
Note: John Geddes and Eleanor (nee Borle) had at least two other
known children who didnít survive infancy.
Marion Wallace Geddes was born April 1891 and died at Elm St, Glasgow in
February 1892 of pneumonia.
Thomas Aitken Geddes was born February 1907 and died on 21st
November at 6 Ruskin Terrace, Rutherglen of broncho-pneumonia.
was born in Claythorn Street,
Glasgow on 2nd April 1881. Her first job was as a Mantle
Machinist and eventually she became a dressmaker. She married Thomas
Henderson Hastie in Perthshire in 1904, where they had two children.
They had returned to Glasgow by the 1911 census.
The newborn baby in the Geddes group photo is Christinaís first child
born in 1905, Eleanor Elizabeth Simmonds Borle Geddes Hastie (what a
mouthful!). Her son from her marriage was more fortunate, just having
the birth name of William Hastie.
After arriving in Australia, Christina left Thomas and lived de-facto
with my great grandfather William Griffith Williams until her death in
1936. They had one son and two daughters (one daughter died as an infant
Eleanor Simmonds Geddes ĎBessieí was born in 1883.
She married William McBean on the 9th July 1909 at 4 Sefton
Bessie was an Elementary School Teacher and William
a Police Constable in Glasgow.
They followed Bessieís mother and emigrated to Western Australia in
Bessie died in 1945 and William in 1967. They had 3 children.
2,4 & 6 Sefton Terrace (now Hamilton Road)
Sefton Terrace is now part of Hamilton Rd,
found it on a 1920s map of Rutherglen
Henderson Geddes was born c1885. She was a clerical worker.
Annie married William Anderson Miller (a Merchant) on 30th
Dec.1909 at 6 Sefton Terrace, Rutherglen.
They had three sons and a daughter. In January 1921 William tragically
died of Tuberculosis at Plantation, Glasgow.
The widowed Annie followed
her family to Western Australia in July 1921. She later remarried .
Annie died in January 1959
rear view of Sefton Terrace (now Hamilton Road)
Geddes was born in Glasgow on 20th August 1886. He married
Jessie McPhie in 1910 at Pollokshields, Glasgow. In 1911 George and
Jessie lived in 72 Woddrop Street,
George was a Telephone engineer for the Post
Office. (now British Telecom)
George and Jessie emigrated to Western Australia in 1913. They had 8
George retired as the Officer in Charge of the Central Telephone
Exchange in 1951.
He died in 1957 and Jessie in 1966.
John Graham Geddes was born on 4th September 1888 at
York St, Glasgow.
He was listed as a Miner when he emigrated with his mother and siblings.
He died less than 18 months after arriving in Western Australia on 24th
On his obituary his occupation was Contractor.
Cain Geddes was born 26th June 1892 at 64 Glasgow Road, Rutherglen,
He arrived with his mother and siblings in Western Australia in 1912.
He married Margaret Grier Miller in Perth, W.A in 1914. They had three
children. Harry enlisted in the A.I.F in World War 1. He was in the 1st
Division Signal Corp as a telephone mechanic.
Harry died in January 1946.
Jeanie Morrison Smith Geddes was born on 16th June 1895 at
83 Main St, Rutherglen.
She married Rupert Harry Flanagan in 1924 in Cottesloe, Western
Jeanie died in 1956.
Alfred Charles Borle Geddes was born on 2nd November 1897 at
10 Chapel St, Rutherglen.
Alfred Charles Borle Geddes (Fred) enlisted in 1915 in the 37th battalion (World War 1).
He was killed in Action 11th February 1917 in France whilst
attached to the 3rd Field Coy. Engineers.
He was 19.
GescaPals admin, Norrie McNamee got these
photos from Rutherglen library
Alexander Geddes was born on 10th September 1900 at
3 GallowFlat Place, Rutherglen.
He married Jessie Pearl Francis Duncan in Cottelsoe, Western Australia
Harvey was an Electrical Engineer.
He died in 1981.
below is NLS Map of Rutherglen 1910.
Gallowflat Place is
not marked on the map but I've indicated where I'm 100% sure it was
Gallowflat Street, Rutherglen, only came into being circa 1900. Previous
to this date it was known as Hamilton Road and the existing Hamilton
Road was known as Wardlawhill Street. By 1910 new tenements had been
built on the east side of Gallowflat Street and round into
Gallowflat Place where
a Skating Rink had also been built opposite the tenements and at the end
of Gallowflat Place.
Between 1910 and 1938 when the Wardlawhill and Gallowflat areas were
developed for housing
Gallowflat Place was
extended eastwards and became known as East Main Street.
Looking eastwards along East Main Street at Farmeloan Rd junction.
GlescaPal admin, Norrie :
Thanks are due to 'glesca artist' for the finding the location of
Gallowflat Place, it started at the corner of Farmeloan Rd and was
extended in the late 20s and renamed Main st, known locally as East Main
GlescaPal 'glesca artist' :
the street numbers start from the centre outwards with the odd numbers
on the left hand side. The centre in this case being Farmeloan Road. I
believe number 3 Gallowflat Place would be located where the new
building in your excellent photo is shown.
Tasker Harris Geddes was born 28th May 1903 at 5 Wardlaw Drive,
Mary Tasker Harris Geddes was the youngest surviving child of John and Eleanor.
Mary married Sydney Frederick Norman Anderson in 1927 at Cottesloe,
Mary died in 1970.
No.5 Wardlaw Drive
from Hamilton Road looking up into Wardlaw Drive,
No5 on the left
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Aug 2012, extract from email,
Michelle Schaller, Australia
Thank you so much for adding the information on the photo!
Sadly, Ive never met any of my Geddes family. Partly because I'm on the
east coast of Australia, and secondly, even though Iíve been doing my
family tree for over 30 years, it was only about 6 years ago I started
on my grandfathers branch of my tree. I think pulling teeth would have
Aug.2012, extract from
messageboard, GlescaPal Lobeydosser,
Great article and photograph. I remember my grannie chiding her daughter
when she came home with newly purchased footwear.
" Thae shoes ur faur too big fur ye! They're mair lik'
Geordie Geddes's sma' boats than shoes!
Loved that Webmaister, a great photo and even better to have all that
information about the people in the photo. As you know I am interested
in genealogy so I was particularly interested in the photo and the
wealth of information.
what a fantastic article ,that's the best thing about GlescaPals its
great history thanks Webmaister
The article has proven to be of great interest tae the GlescaPals
A few members were interested in the families Dalmarnock & Rutherglen
John Geddes was born on 18th July 1857 at 63
Elizabeth Eleanor Simmonds Geddes ĎBessieí 4
Annie Henderson Geddes was born abt 1885 6
Henry Cain Geddes was born 26th June 1892 at 64
Jeanie Morrison Smith Geddes was born on 16th June 1895 at 83
Main St ?,
Alfred Charles Borle Geddes was born on 2nd November 1897 at 10
Harvey Alexander Geddes was born on 10th September 1900 at 3
Mary Tasker Harris Geddes was born 28th May 1903 at 5
George Geddes born Glasgow 20th August 1886. In 1911 lived in 72
GlescaPals admin Norrie McNamee
is a keen photographer and lives in Rutherglen,
in August 2012 he set out to find these address and get some photos. Well done, Norrie.
Humane Society post is currently held by George Parsonage,
his house is
in Glasgow Green near the Peoples Palace ( more info and photo's to